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Thanks for making this available. Regards George From: craig@sbc-85.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2025 1:52 PM To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ Hi George, thanks for the feedback. The formatted list is a very nice feature. Phil G had added to his version= of KitBugPlus, I just added the command continue. I am thinking of enhanc= ing it disassemble the listing back into mnemonics. If I am inventive, I t= hink I have room left in the ROM, especially if I remove the type command a= nd then cut back on the help window as needed. It is a good suggestion about just dropping the file into teraterm I plan on making a ROM of more utilities, so start making a list of what yo= u would like to see. I should have already made the console input without = the echo because I had to always work around the carriage return being outp= ut=E2=80=A6 case in point is having to jerry rig the register modify to do = what I wanted. But I have to get to creating the documentation on these before I start som= ething new. I have a bare RAM board if you want it. I only sent out the ROM and RAM bo= ards to people that responded back so I know they built the CPU board that = I sent them. To make up for the edge connector that is a too narrow, I ad= ded a little dab of epoxy to the edge of the finger tab to take up the slac= k so the board is in the center of the connector. Other than that tab widt= h, I don=E2=80=99t think there are any changes with the next RAM version. Regards craig From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2025 9:51 AM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ Craig, I have been going thru the commands in kitbug++ and have seen no issues. Th= ere are some really great features like command continue and the hex downlo= ad without invoking the command. In my case , the serial delay of 20ms char and 50ms line seem to work the = best. I am sure it can be optimized on my end, but it works for me. Using the sbprojects assembler and the dropping the hex file on the termina= l window is a great time saver, especially not having to invoke the hex rec= eive ( I seem to forget that a lot). Now just trying to go thru the register display and list/dump commands. (ni= ce that the list command is instruction length aware). Please keep up the great work. Regards, George From: craig@sbc-85.com > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 8:38 PM To: 'George Adams' > Subject: RE: KitBug++ If you want to use binary transfer, I found it useful to connect the onboar= d LED (jp4.2) to the IO_IN line so the LED blinks on when a character is be= ing received. Otherwise there is no way to know when the file is done beca= use teraterm closes it=E2=80=99s buffer window long before the file is done= =2E Download time using binary is a little more than twice as fast since it has= half the overhead. From: George Adams > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 5:17 PM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ Craig, I have teraterm set for 20ms/char 100ms line and it works fine. (Numbers ar= e from hex file loader in nibble basic.interpreter is pretty slow. Regards George On October 12, 2025 8:10:16 PM EDT, craig@sbc-85.com wrote: Hi George, thanks for getting back to me. It is good that it came up and s= eems functional. I am finding that in teraterm I need a 20ms delay between characters/lines = or I start to see bytes misinterpreted in the download on larger files. I = am seeing if I can shorten that. No matter how slow, it is better than ty= ping. Try hex download the attached and then G1000 From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 3:52 PM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ Craig, This is awesome!!! Feels like the SBC-85 monitor you developed. In the short time I have working with this, I can see learning more about t= he architecture of the sc/mp processor just by having this available. I really like the hex receive code. Just send the file. I need to implement= this on the other boards I have. The command continue is really cool. Register display is great. I plan on spending more time with this tomorrow in the afternoon, and will = pass along feedback as I progress through the commands. I can=E2=80=99t thank you enough for this. This is a great addition to the = nibbler series you have. Regards, George From: craig@sbc-85.com < craig@sbc-85.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 5:51 PM To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ Hi George, try this. It uses RAM starting at 1700. It should give you the > prompt on reset. T= ype ? for help. There is some test code at the top of the rom (0D11-0D58) you can copy into= ram and run. From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com < adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 12:10 PM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ User's Guide Craig, The board has the lower and upper blocks populated. George From: craig@sbc-85.com < craig@sbc-85.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 2:24 PM To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ User's Guide I am assembling this so I can send to you. Do you have your upper RAM popu= lated or only the lower half? From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com < adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 8:16 AM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: KitBug++ User's Guide Craig, I got your email and the attachment. Thanks Again. Regards, George From: craig@sbc-85.com < craig@sbc-85.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:16 PM To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com Subject: KitBug++ User's Guide Hi George, Here is the guide, I have a couple of things to do on the program today. P= lease confirm receipt since your email host has been identifying mine as sp= am and refusing to deliver emails. Thanks craig From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com < adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:50 AM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: Nibbler Craig, I am not working on anything else but the nibbler. (everything else got put= on the shelf when this one showed up) I would be happy to check out what y= ou have for a resident monitor. Anything I can contribute, I am certainly onboard with. Regards, George From: craig@sbc-85.com < craig@sbc-85.com> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 1:49 AM To: 'George Adams' < adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> Subject: RE: Nibbler Thanks, but it is not worth bothering with. Do you have time to check out what I have so far as a resident monitor? or = are you in the middle of something else? Regards craig From: George Adams < adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2025 12:49 PM To: craig@sbc-85.com Subject: RE: Nibbler Craig, Thanks for the board. Let me know the shipping cost and I will gladly send = it to you. Regards George On October 10, 2025 1:42:24 PM EDT, craig@sbc-85= =2Ecom wrote: Dropped your eprom board in the mail today. USPS with no tracking on this = one so let me know when it arrives. Regards craig From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com < adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2025 5:55 PM To: 'SBC-85' < craig@sbc-85.com> Subject: Nibbler Craig, I got the additional ram for the nibbler and used your diagnostic code to c= heck it. Nice work on the code! Just a few minutes to make sure all the ram= was good. That is a great tool. Parts are on order for the backplane and the 4/8K ram boards, and should be= here later this week. This is a great project. Looking forward to the 8K r= om board when its available and placing code on the board to keep from havi= ng to reload when the power drops. Working on an intel hex dump program to get the program out to load to the = eprom programmer. Thanks Again for the great work. George Virus-free. www.avast.com George Adams George Adams -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01DC3D3E.B3231600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Craig,

 

Just wanted to let = you know the 4K/8K ROM expansion board showed up today and in good = shape.

 

Thanks for making = this available.

 

Regards

 

George

 

From: craig@sbc-85.com <craig@sbc-85.com>
Sent: = Tuesday, October 14, 2025 1:52 PM
To: = adamsgl@cinci.rr.com
Subject: RE: = KitBug++

 

Hi George, thanks for the = feedback.

 

The formatted list is = a very nice feature.  Phil G had added to his version of = KitBugPlus, I just added the command continue.  I am thinking of = enhancing it disassemble the listing back into mnemonics.  If I am = inventive, I think I have room left in the ROM, especially if I remove = the type command and then cut back on the help window as needed.  =

 

It is a good = suggestion about just dropping the file into = teraterm

 

I plan on making a = ROM of more utilities, so start making a list of what you would like to = see.  I should have already made the console input without the echo = because I had to always work around the carriage return being = output=E2=80=A6 case in point is having to jerry rig the register modify = to do what I wanted.

 

But I have to get to = creating the documentation on these before I start something = new.

 

I have a bare RAM = board if you want it.  I only sent out the ROM and RAM boards to = people that responded back so I know they built the CPU board that I = sent them.   To make up for the edge connector that is a too = narrow, I added a little dab of epoxy to the edge of the finger tab to = take up the slack so the board is in the center of the connector.  = Other than that tab width, I don=E2=80=99t think there are any changes = with the next RAM version.

 

Regards

craig

 

 

From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com = <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> =
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2025 9:51 AM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: = RE: KitBug++

 

Craig,

 

I have been going = thru the commands in kitbug++ and have seen no issues. There are some = really great features like command continue and the hex download without = invoking the command.

 

In my case , the = serial delay  of 20ms char and 50ms line seem to work the best. I = am sure it can be optimized on my end, but it works for = me.

 

Using the sbprojects = assembler and the dropping the hex file on the terminal window is a = great time saver, especially not having to invoke the hex receive  = ( I seem to forget that a lot).

 

Now just trying to go = thru the register display and list/dump commands. (nice that the list = command is instruction length aware).

 

Please keep up the = great work.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

 

From: craig@sbc-85.com <craig@sbc-85.com> =
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 8:38 PM
To: 'George = Adams' <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
S= ubject: RE: KitBug++

 

If you want to use binary transfer, I found = it useful to connect the onboard LED (jp4.2) to the IO_IN line so the = LED blinks on when a character is being received.  Otherwise there = is no way to know when the file is done because teraterm closes = it=E2=80=99s buffer window long before the file is = done.

Download time using binary is a little more = than twice as fast since it has half the = overhead.

 

From: George Adams <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> =
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 5:17 PM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: = RE: KitBug++

 

Craig,
I have teraterm set for 20ms/char = 100ms line and it works fine. (Numbers are from hex file loader in = nibble basic.interpreter is pretty = slow.

Regards
George

 

On October 12, 2025 = 8:10:16 PM EDT, craig@sbc-85.com = wrote:

Hi George, = thanks for getting back to me.  It is good that it came up and = seems functional.

I am finding that in teraterm I need a 20ms = delay between characters/lines or I start to see bytes misinterpreted in = the download on larger files.  I am seeing if I can shorten = that.   No matter how slow, it is better than = typing.

 

Try hex download the = attached and then G1000

 

 

 

From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com = <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com> =
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 3:52 PM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: = RE: KitBug++

 

Craig,

 

This is awesome!!! = Feels like the SBC-85 monitor you developed.

 

In the short time I = have working with this, I can see learning more about the architecture = of the sc/mp processor just by having this = available.

 

I really like the hex = receive code. Just send the file. I need to implement this on the other = boards I have.

 

The command continue = is really cool. Register display is great.

 

I plan on spending = more time with this tomorrow in the afternoon, and will pass along = feedback as I progress through the commands.

 

I can=E2=80=99t thank = you enough for this. This is a great addition to the nibbler series you = have.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

 

From: craig@sbc-85.com <craig@sbc-85.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 5:51 = PM
To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com
Subject: RE: KitBug++ =

 

Hi George, try this.

It uses RAM starting = at 1700.  It should give you the > prompt on reset.  Type ? = for help.

There is some test code at the top of the rom = (0D11-0D58) you can copy into ram and run.

 

 

From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 12:10 = PM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: RE: KitBug++ User's = Guide

 

Craig,

 

The board has the = lower and upper blocks populated.

 

George

 

 

From: craig@sbc-85.com <craig@sbc-85.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 2:24 = PM
To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com
Subject: RE: KitBug++ User's = Guide

 

I am assembling this so I can send to = you.  Do you have your upper RAM populated or only the lower = half?

 

From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2025 8:16 = AM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: RE: KitBug++ User's = Guide

 

Craig,

 

I got your email and = the attachment.

 

Thanks = Again.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

 

From: craig@sbc-85.com <craig@sbc-85.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:16 = PM
To: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com
Subject: KitBug++ User's = Guide

 

Hi George,

 

Here is the guide, I = have a couple of things to do on the program today.  Please confirm = receipt since your email host has been identifying mine as spam and = refusing to deliver emails.

Thanks

craig

 

From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 7:50 = AM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: RE: = Nibbler

 

Craig,

 

I am not working on = anything else but the nibbler. (everything else got put on the shelf = when this one showed up) I would be happy to check out what you have for = a resident monitor.

 

Anything I can = contribute, I am certainly onboard with.

 

Regards,

 

George

 

 

From: craig@sbc-85.com <craig@sbc-85.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2025 1:49 = AM
To: 'George Adams' <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: RE: = Nibbler

 

Thanks, but it is not worth bothering = with.

 

Do you have time to = check out what I have so far as a resident monitor? or are you in the = middle of something else?

 

Regards

craig

 

From: George Adams <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2025 12:49 = PM
To: craig@sbc-85.com
Subject: RE: = Nibbler

 

Craig,
Thanks for the board. Let me = know the shipping cost and I will gladly send it to = you.
Regards
George

 

On October 10, 2025 = 1:42:24 PM EDT, craig@sbc-85.com = wrote:

Dropped your = eprom board in the mail today.  USPS with no tracking on this one = so let me know when it arrives.

 

Regards

craig

 

From: adamsgl@cinci.rr.com <adamsgl@cinci.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2025 5:55 = PM
To: 'SBC-85' <craig@sbc-85.com>
Subject: = Nibbler

 

Craig,

 

I got the additional = ram for the nibbler and used your diagnostic code to check it. Nice work = on the code! Just a few minutes to make sure all the ram was good. That = is a great tool.

 

Parts are on order = for the backplane and the 4/8K ram boards, and should be here later this = week. This is a great project. Looking forward to the 8K rom board when = its available and placing code on the board to keep from having to = reload when the power drops.

 

Working on an intel = hex dump program to get the program out to load to the eprom = programmer.

 

Thanks Again for the = great work.

 

George

 

 

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Virus-free.www.avast.com

 

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